What does /antiwork think of the tipping industry? I used to work as a server and immediately wondered why I had to rely on customers to pay my bills

  1. I don't like tipping culture in general. But if we want one specific place to start, there should be no exemption to the minimum wage for tipping industries.

  2. I don't understand why we tip SOME service jobs and not others. Bring me my food? Expect a tip. Bring me my amazon packages? Get fucked. Put my luggage on a cart and wheel it to my room and take it off the cart? Expected tip. Make sure my bed has fresh sheets and my towels are restocked? Get fucked. Make me an alcoholic drink? Expect Tip. Make the food I am literally there for? Get Fucked.

  3. I feel a lot of people are confused how a tipped wage is supposed to work. It IS letting the employer cheap out. BUT it should not result in the employee ever making less than minimum wage. If the amount of tips you receive do not bring your hourly wage above the minimum wage, the employer is required to make up the difference and bring the tipped wage they pay you up to the minimum wage.

  4. In British Columbia (Canada) minimum wage for everyone including servers is over $15/hr and these motherfuckers still expect 20% tips.

  5. Just this weekend, my date and I discussed this with our waiter. He made a joke saying he would bet his salary on something and I was like “does that include your tips? Or just the paycheck?” and we got into a bit of a debate.

  6. Im Australian and tipping where I live is just a nice bonus for particularly good service? I've never heard of American style tipping anywhere in aus

  7. I haven't been back to Australia recently, but no way am I tipping on top of the already sky-high food prices. I nearly had a heart attack when I visited home four years ago and saw a menu.

  8. I had the pleasure of going through my parents taxes. Throughout my childhood, I believed my father was the breadwinner. My parents are boomers, and this was how my dad defined taking care of his family. He made great money at a factory. I was told that my mother was 'just a waitress' as a child. Well, the IRS had a different view of my childhood. My father was averaging 80,000 and my mom a 120,000. Just a effing waitress my bumbum. It was quite the stark fist of reality.

  9. Servers don't want this though because min wage with tips is way higher than what the restaurant would offer. Had a gf who would pull like $500-600 in tips PER NIGHT if she worked the weekend(bartender job).

  10. This. Also, if I order some food for pick up, I'm not tipping. I'm not being given any extra service. If those involved want a tip, talk to the employer. I tip when I sit down to eat.

  11. This is a mistake I have been noticing a lot recently. I looked into it the other day because my friend asked me if I was sure about the usage (that's how often we've seen it.) And I found out that insure used to be used like ensure but a couple centuries ago. Now we use it the way you are saying.

  12. I have never agreed with tipping culture. I get that in some situations some people can make pretty good money through tipping that they'd never get at another job, but it's a victim of the 80/20 rule, the vast majority of people working for tips are lucky to make a living wage and it's inconsistency means paying the bills adds a level of luck to the equation.

  13. As a Brit I think we tend to tip 10% just because tipping minimum wage isn’t a thing. But I don’t like tips as an idea and agree more with the Nordic countries - they see tips as an insult that suggests businesses aren’t taking care of their workers by paying them enough. If your staff are paid a living wage, tipping shouldn’t have to be a thing.

  14. Nordic countries are right. The American restaurant system is a steaming pile of abuse, awful wages, terrible working conditions, and the literal scum of the earth managers.

  15. That's interesting I think I went through London Heathrow over a decade ago and tried to tip the waitress for my excellent full English breakfast and she was shocked and refused to take it. She explained that they didn't take tips. For me I saw it as bizarre but it was later explained to me by my grandfather that owned a shoe shop at the time. He told me that business owners actually paid their employees proper wages instead of relying on handouts from customers. If only that were the case here.

  16. I don't think I've ever seen anyone tip a flat percentage in the UK, normally its just a keep the change or if you've had a great waiter/waitress slips them a £5/10/20 depending on how many people came.

  17. That's not how we see tips in Finland. There really isn't any tipping culture but people sometimes do tip if the service is good, not for basic service quality.

  18. I think an important caveat is that we don't tip at fast food places like mcdonalds or kfc, Starbucks, anywhere like that either

  19. As a fellow Brit, everyone I know thinks tipping is a luxury, a boast of wealth for the middle-class up, the rest of us scrounged up enough money to afford a pleasant evening out but we need the money as much as the worker.

  20. I am a Finn and no restaurants dont see it as an insult by default over here. Many casual restaurants have "employee travel or fun fund" tip jars on the counter and I dont think waiters even at many decent restaurants/bars would turn tips away, especially when given cash. I dont know if they can be given by credit card in all restaurants though.

  21. Live in the UK where there's a minimum wage. I'll happily tip if I think the service was excellent. It'll be more along the lines of handing £30 over for a £25 bill and saying keep the change, but I'll do the same with my barber. The idea that people have to rely on the generosity of others to survive is abhorrent to me

  22. It's gotten so out of control in America, it's not just sit down restaurants with waiters - that makes sense. It's everywhere now, even for fast giant chain sandwich shops where you order like you would at McDonald's.

  23. Tipping and sales tax are all part of the marketing mental gymnastics that occur in the USA. It’s like retailers pricing something at $9.99 to make you think it is priced inexpensively. It’s all part of unethical marketing.

  24. The IRS could easily just send you a bill for any owed tax, and people could send it their tax credits. But thanks to companies like TurboTax and H&R they spend billions of dollars in lobbying so you go to them to file your taxes because it's "too complicated"

  25. Tipping is generally an unhelpful practice. If a waiter is doing a good job then they ought to be paid a good wage. If they are doing a poor job then they ought to be offered support, advice or training. If they don't give a fuck then maybe they need to find alternative employment. Tipping is a throwback to earlier ages when the poor had to rely on the largesse or philanthropy of rich patrons in order to earn their keep. So it is effectively a form of charity. Tipping also allows employers to pay shit wages and to justify this on the grounds that only excellent service will be rewarded with a decent living wage. No worker should have to rely on the benificence of patrons in order to survive. Some patrons tip badly regardless of service. So waiters have to hope their tips are good enough to meet the minimum wage, if not exceed it and, I believe, this is an unfair expectation. Tipping also means that the most physically attractive people (particularly women) get higher rewards for doing the same work as others. This has been proven time and time again by social scientists. Finally, tipping is often an awkward experience for all parties, and it demands of the customer an unnecessary negotiation with her or himself as to the appropriate percentage. Why should a worker's pay depend on the subjective assessments of patrons? What if the customer is misogynistic, racist or homophobic and chooses not to tip certain waiters based on prejudice? Decent workers deserve to be decently paid by their employers. So there ought to be a mandatory pay structure that ensures at least a living wage to all waiters regardless of whether some customers choose to continue to tip.

  26. This is an underrated point of view. Tipping does nothing to ensure equal pay for equal work. Tipping leaves room for discrimination and perpetuates systemic poverty amongst discriminated groups.

  27. Also, it shifts the blame to the customer when they choose not to tip instead of placing it on the true responsible, the employer.

  28. I think it's crazy over the years how much they put in the customer. Used to be ten percent, no delivery fee. No it's a delivery fee and they want 20% it's just too much. So now we pay their hourly and tip basically.

  29. Amazes me that people use all these apps where prices are higher than actual restaurant and then there is delivery fee, service fee and tip. Why the fuck are people paying $30 for a single fast food meal

  30. Yea and we are expected to tip even on carry out orders. At this point, I chose not to eat out bc I don’t believe in tipping. It’s just an expectation to tip 20% and inflation doesn’t help either.

  31. I don't eat out anymore. I have no money to spend, and on top of that can't afford to give the server the tip they deserve. But on the other side, I save a ton of money and am becoming a decent cook!

  32. In America tipping in the hospitality industry is, in my opinion (obviously), a horribly insidious practice. It has become a method by which business owners can sidestep the responsibility of compensating their workers and in so doing removes leverage required to improve working conditions. By that I mean workers are willing and even encourage work in far worse conditions, taking on more work with less staff in order to drive up their own profitability. It also creates a culture of worthlessness where value of an employee exists almost entirely through ego rather than through regular evaluation and incentivization through benefits. It also disempowers employees by making it exceedingly difficult to track personal finances, creating traps where employees think they earn more because they tend to remember profitable shifts over non-profitable shifts.

  33. Not a portion. A majority of servers make more than that. Every single person at my work makes at least $20 a hour serving at the bare minimum even the butt servers

  34. Why? To keep you in your place. So you know who your betters are. To keep you dancing and hustling and constantly in fear.

  35. I literally had a girl put in the online order instructions (as a pizza delivery driver) to do the chicken dance or no tip. Showed up with exact change to give her. She said "you didn't do what I asked" and I said "I believe I work hard enough already, I'd rather keep my dignity." She ended up giving me a 1 star online and said I was rude. I called her and left a message telling her never to treat out employees like clowns, we aren't here to be your personal jester, and told her she was the one being rude. My manager and coworkers over heard me and was like "what the hell was that?" Told them what happened and the manager didn't care I just bitched out a customer.

  36. Except nobody that works in the restaurant industry wants to do away with tips. Owners, managers, waiters and bartenders all love the status quo

  37. I'm with you, my dude! I've already ended tipping culture for me. Be the change you want to see, right? Let's all do it, together! United we stand!

  38. Lol I make waaaaayy more than my so-called "betters" are at work. You know why? Fucking tips, baby! Walking with no less than $100 a day is worth it.

  39. I hate the system. It’s bizarre to me that restaurant owners just don’t have to pay a certain group of their employees and leave it up to the customers. I always tip at least 20%, even if the service is bad, but I would much rather their employer paid them as is the custom in literally every other industry.

  40. I hate tipping, charge me for what the food/service is worth and let's move on with our lives (and obviously workers need a living wage)

  41. People hate to admit it but tipping gives people great wages. 60k a year and that's not even working 40 hours a week. Only thing missing is benefits.

  42. It’s interesting reading all these responses. I worked tables and the bar for 10 years, paid my way through college with it, graduated with very minimal loans. Plenty of my friends worked at the same place and made great money there too.

  43. I agree with you. I always tip well also but feel that it is a disgusting system. Would I like it to change? Yes. But I don’t feel like boycotting tipping is the answer. Innocent waiters and waitresses just doing their jobs would get caught in the crossfire and it’s not fair to them.

  44. To be honest as a bartender I make minimum wage+tips and I make WAY more money than even someone making well above minimum wage for something I don’t really feel like needs a lot of skill. Of course multitasking, efficiency, good memory, and friendliness but all in all you need that for most jobs. If we took tips away even if I got paid 18$+ I wouldn’t work as a bartender.

  45. It's stupid. The food "service" industry is stupid. Give me my food, I'll pay you the correct amount, and you pay the food people a proper wage.

  46. How do you tip delivery people? They put down the order outside my door, ring the door bell and they're long gone before I open the door. And there's no option to tip in the apps I order from either.

  47. They're not mutually exclusive. If you want someone to give you money, and that person gives it to you, there's no one to stop that transaction.

  48. this is what I never got. sure it has the possibility to be bad, but like if you have 5 tables and they each give like $10 that's $50. so that could be $50/hour. that's just an estimate that has a shit ton of variables, but still.

  49. And the talented ones would not stay in an industry for an hourly wage, they know they shine and hustle for it.

  50. Any decent server or bartender will say no don’t get rid of the system. And honestly it works. Places that attract the decent people who make good money are generally better. I did the same thing to where I got to the point were I ran a place where the owner said do whatever bc I was making her so much money took a low salary in favor of higher bonuses and made six figures to party all the time.

  51. When I was a kid, 10% was acceptable, and 15% was good. Then as a young adult 15% was acceptable and 20% was good. Now it’s leaning toward 20% is acceptable.

  52. What really sucks is the tip % shouldn’t go up either. The cost of food increases as we go, the percentages are already keeping up with that. I wish companies would just pay them, I hate tipping for someone doing their damn job. (I do tip 20% always)

  53. Tipping needs to be revised to move away from the percentage approach. So many elements go into the ticket cost that sometimes have nothing to do with the service.

  54. Tipping is an outdated practice and a remnant of the post slavery period in America when it was used by the major railroad companies as a justification to not pay black porters and attendants.

  55. Thanks for mentioning this, I was just about to. And like slavery, relying on tips for payment should be abolished. Workers should be paid by the business they work for.

  56. Thank you! I scrolled way too far to see this. This is the true, racist origin of tipping, which makes the whole concept even more scummy.

  57. This should be done on the pretax total, not on the check total. Tax has nothing to do with the cost of the food. It's just the government reaching into my pocket to double dip.

  58. i think most waiters prefer tips because they earn more from tips than they would from minimum wage and no tips

  59. I went to a beer hall and the menu said 20% gratuity is added to all bills. Why not just change your prices to account for that?

  60. Advocate to get rid of tipping entirely but continue to do it in the meantime while people are relying on tips to live.

  61. Standard tip is 15%, not 20%. It has crept up there by those working in the service industry that want a pay raise for themselves.

  62. Tipping on its own isn’t exactly bad, do I like it, no, but what pisses me off now is so many places ask for it. The local pizza place when I pick up my pizza, Dairy Queen etc.

  63. I wish tipping wasn’t a thing. I’ve seen so many ppl get stuck in the industry bc the money was so good. The problem is that theres no benefits/retirement/pto, you’re lucky to even get a lunch break. You have to tip out bus boys and SAs which is quite literally robbery. It’s all ridiculous and should be illegal and restaurants get away with it.

  64. It’s bullshit. Instead of a living wage they rely on customers to chip in with the payroll. Patronage should be enough. Then the guilt trip of tipping like it’s the customers fault if they can’t pay bills. OBVIOUSLY people can’t pay bills based on the kindness of others.

  65. I'm from France. Tipping is insanity when done like in the USA. I worked as a waiter in France and the UK, in France the base pay is higher but you never get tips. So you know exactly what to expect when you go to work. The UK hits a good balance of paying (usually, not always) a livable wage but people still tip reasonable amounts (I never got more than 10-15 other than for big events) if they think the service was great.

  66. There is a great Throughline episode called Land of the Fee that goes into the history of tipping. Like a lot of things in America it has its the roots racism, slavery, and classism. Worth a listen, especially if you’re triggered by the last sentence of this comment.

  67. Why don't employers pay their sever help a decent, livable wage instead of putting it on the customer? Then, if the customer wants to tip, it actually 'help' the servers rather than just make-up for their crap wages of way below min. wage in the U.S. {Does that not make good sense 'cents'?!...}

  68. Restaurants have razor thin margins and would not be able to pay servers a living wage unless they raise their menu prices by 20%. Servers don't want to get rid of tipping. Customers pay the wages of practically every job there is.

  69. In America, the Resturant Owners Association is one of the main lobbying forces that ensures that the wages for servers are kept artificially low & thus forever passing the onus from the owner to the costumer to make up the difference that the owners refuse to cover.

  70. In theory, it’s bad. It forces the server to kowtow to the wants of the customer to ensure that they’re paid, and places them in a position to have their labor stolen with zero recourse. This can breed abuse and exploitation, which is obviously rampant in restaurants. That being said, in practice, servers often make absurd incomes compared to other people in the service industry, and I doubt many (especially those in cities working at trendy or upscale restaurants) would rather take $15-20/hour instead of making tips.

  71. To add to what everyone else is saying, I kind of hate having that guilty feeling at the end of your meal or tab when tipping. Like “I can only do 20% today… not 25%” like I have to calculate my limit and feel shitty about like an $8 tip for an hour service. I wish it just wasn’t my responsibility. I feel a burden on me to tip well since I know lots of people don’t and it isn’t fair that the server has to endure that. If servers were paid a living wage and every customer had to pay toward that, then it would be great.

  72. I'd rather pay more and have the owners pay their employees. It shouldn't be up to me to pay them. I'm there to eat.

  73. I do it, but hate it. I like how Australia does it - it's incorporated into the price already (so is tax). The price you see is the price you pay.

  74. When I was a kid and found out about tipping my first thought was “sweet, they get paid EXTRA for doing a good job!” I was such a sweet summer child.

  75. I honestly think minimum wage should be minimum wage for all. And tips should become the norm for all if you think they provided amazing service. Plumber fixed your busted pipes in 3 days instead of 5? Tip him 20 let him know you care.

  76. I think in the us it’s a relic of slavery- a loophole to technically pay newly freed, former slaves but without actually having to pay them. I think servers should be paid a living wage and the tipping should be a true supplement that won’t go away completely or change much at the fancier restaurants but the two-tiered minimum wage for restaurant workers and everyone else has gotta go!!

  77. Tipping was considered an un-American bribe for better treatment way back in the day. People thought regardless of social standing, if you could afford to eat out you deserved the same treatment as everyone else.

  78. As a Brit, it’s fucking insane to me. You’re not gonna be able to make a liveable wage without it? And you’re going to be angry at me for not tipping, even though I’ve already paid for my food? Just so insane to me. The workers should be getting paid enough that they aren’t so dependent on tipping and the customer shouldn’t be under any obligation to pay for anything other than the food.

  79. Hi, bartender here! I have pretty mixed feelings about the tipping system but for the most part I despise it. But I think it varies where you live. I’m a bartender for a new business making $2.13 an hour in a purple district. I’ve had people not tip before and I resent them for it. I don’t want to though because I’m more mad at my CEO. I despise being paid such a shitty wage more than anything because even though tips make up the difference, I essentially make nothing on dead nights. However, there are a lot of people who make great money based off tips and I wouldn’t want a system put in place that stops that from happening so what I think should happen is we just raise wages for servers/bartenders/etc. Because tips are not guaranteed (unless your place has auto gratuity), should it be the case you don’t get enough in tips, you still walk away with enough money to pay your bills.

  80. I’m sorry, but as a tipped worker in the U.S, I hope things never change as long as I’m in the service industry. I totally understand why people (especially those who have never worked in bars/restaurants) would just say “I think they should get paid a living wage and not have to rely on tips.” But the reality is, I don’t HAVE to rely on tips, I GET to rely on tips. I work in a restaurant, not even a high-volume, 2am bar, and I average $36 an hour. I’ve done the math. I’m in my early 20’s. A “livable” wage for me would end up being $20 an hour. I make waaaayyyy more money than I deserve. Tips all day. Tip your bartenders. I hope the service industry never changes, because your guilt pays my bills and WAY beyond

  81. Yup. 14 years in industry. Chain-Mom n Pop-high volume- craft cocktails. I’m good at what I do. I’m entertainment, making sure you’re safe while consuming alcohol, everyone around you is safe, and on my feet for 7+ hours constantly moving and upkeeping the bar. No way I’d take min wage. Or even $20 an hour.

  82. I had to scroll wayyy too long to find this. I don’t think people who haven’t worked in the service industry understand how much servers and bartenders would have to be paid hourly to compete with their tipped wage. I made a stupid amount of money in my early twenties serving and bartending in a large city. My schedule was flexible and I didn’t have to work 40+ hours a week just to make ends meet, so it was perfect for supporting myself through college. It definitely wasn’t a sustainable career for me because it’s back-breaking work, but it was a lot of fun and a great way to make money.

  83. For all of those who think a server should not be tipped and instead be paid a living wage by the restaurant, look at the wage of the cooks. Spoiler: Restaurant won't pay their server a living wage.

  84. I hate it. But I always tip well because I understand it’s not servers fault and they need to make money. Their bosses should be paying them.

  85. Not an American, giving a tip is something i do for when I'm recieving more (either in service or quality) than i expected and i have a few spare euro's. Everyone should be paid a fair wage that doesn't rely on the whims of others.

  86. Tipping is proliferating. I hate it, big guilt pangs even when paying 20pc because I know owner should pay more. I avoid any tipping situations if possible. Chef made food is $6 at culinary school on my campus vs. $7 for Philly chicken at cafeteria and I eat the shitty sandwich to avoid the tip ask drama.

  87. Went to Ireland and was told "We don't do that here" by a waiter at a restaurant. He looked genuinely appalled and it made me love Ireland even more.

  88. I hate the ideas behind tipping in America so much I've completely stopped going out to eat. At least I'm much healthier as a result.

  89. I think tipping itself is a wonderful, and compassionate idea, that capitalistic leeches like corporate leaders and greedy business owners saw as an opportunity to abuse, and massively increase profits off of the backs of not only their employees, but their patrons as well. Guilt tripping the public into required tipping should be one of the largest kick-in-the-ass moments that our entire working culture should have acknowledge years ago. The fact that our government bought into that system is just more proof that our government, who should answer to the people, answers only to whosoever puts the most money into their pocket, and we as a collectively governed people should not be allowing that to continue.

  90. I’m a pizza driver. I make $10 an hourwith tips I make 22$ an hour. Friends who get paid minimum or above minimum make $14-$15 an hour, so I’ll take the tips. Slow nights suck but good nights make up for it

  91. Historically tipping was considered unamerican. It was repulsive to suggest you could bribe your server to give you special treatment, or insulting to insinuate that the business was doing so poorly that the servers required handouts to get by.

  92. As a pizza driver, FUCK TIP CULTURE. It’s insane that the potential generosity of strangers is what pays my bills. And if you are a stiffer, FUCK YOU.

  93. This sub’s view on tipping is so hilarious too. They try to frame it in a way that taking out tip culture would help workers, when in reality if tipping was stopped the workers would have their pay slashed. You can tell who has worked in the restaurant industry and who hasn’t. Complaining about tip culture is fine, it causes a lot of problems, just the problems hurt the consumer, not the worker, so it doesn’t fit this sub

  94. The tipping culture in the US sucks, but I'm gonna be honest and tell you all that the tipping culture in the US is better for the server.

  95. I live in Germany we don't have this horrible system, we tip also when the service is good, but only then. Additionally we tip like 5% at most.

  96. I hate tipping culture. It pisses me off that I'm subsidizing yet another business that won't give their workers a fair wage. I'd rather pay more so staff could get a decent wage and benefits.

  97. Kinda sick of seeing it. I see tip prompts at restaurants, retail stores, take out, cafes, and more! Really sick of it

  98. Fuck tipping. Just do like any civilized country and pay your employees. Tipping is what tipping means : Tips. A tip is not a wage and should never be it.

  99. Tipping is an awful practice. It started out in England as an expression of the master-serf relationship, and was popularized in the United States during the Reconstruction era as a way to essentially continue slavery by "hiring" freed slaves to work only for tips.

  100. In the UK and Ireland and many European countries it's optional Whenever we go to the US you have to factor in an extra 30% for your whole trip for tips.

  101. I'd rather not tip, but I understand what society we live in, so I'd like to help my peers as much as I can. 20%+ always, only lower if they're an ass.

  102. Tips aren’t inherently bad, but in the US, and maybe other countries, restaurants take advantage of it to pay their employees below min wage, meaning that for the employees to actually make money, you need to pay for your meal and then pay their wage out of your own pocket.

  103. I don’t know a single person in the service industry that would rather be paid hourly with no tips. They aren’t being exploited

  104. If they have a tip jar at a drive-thru, I never tip. If they did well making sure I was topped off on my drink or if I needed anything, I tip well. If the service was trash I don’t tip. I think there should be a standard wage and not rely on tips, but it is what it is.

  105. Tipping as an employment mechanism is flat out illegal. When other factors are controlled, studies consistently show that whites make more, blacks make the least (even black customers will tip whites more than they will tip other blacks). Women make more than men. Blonds make more than other hair colors.

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