Can anyone imagine a life NOT surrounded by societal collapse at this point?

  1. I watched a movie with my partner to relax. There was a secondry character in the film who passed on, after a long, meaningful, rich life.

  2. Yeahhh.... I don't picture myself eaten by cannibals or anything like that, but I absolutely do see myself going out having a medical emergency and failing to get appropriate care for some reason, like the emergency room being slow or full that day. It is hard to picture a peaceful death in bed surrounded by loved ones as they watch you fade away smiling and fulfilled.

  3. Regarding the rise of fascism and persecution of minorities in the US, I have no doubt that is all coming, but I don’t think the fascists are going to have it easy or necessarily win against the resistance. Overall, I feel that fascism is on the rise in the US specifically because the different regions have firmly different beliefs regarding human rights. This fundamental conflict is leading to dysfunction in our society and that dysfunction is leading some people to fascism in a desire for easy answers to complicated problems. My point is that inevitably when the fascists take power on the federal level, there are many states and entire regions of the nation that will not cooperate. Although the civil conflict that erupts from that will be ugly, I don’t think that the fascists will be able to institute their persecution policies with overwhelming success or public support. A part of me believes that because information and opinions are too widely shared through technology and social media for a modern-day fascist government to completely control an entire narrative to shape public policy enough to convince everyone of their horrible ideology. What do you think?

  4. I don't think in the 60s the idea of collapse was completely foreign. Nuclear weapons were still proliferating, so nuclear war was a much more potent concept back then. Plus the 60s had a bunch of riots, racial issues were at the forefront like today, tons of assassinations of public figures, and lots of regime changes in places like Africa and the Southeast Asian countries. Obviously that's not the same as collapse today with the overlay of climate change, but I doubt the 60s were as rosy as you are thinking they were. Maybe the 60s held a bright future for middle and upper class white people who were more insulated from various issues, but that positivity surely wasn't standard fare for all groups.

  5. Can confirm. My dad and several of his friends served in Vietnam. His oldest siblings were born shortly after WWII ended. Things did get better for them, but I don't see it for us.

  6. I understand and agree with you. I was more so speaking in generalities. Regardless of specifics, no previous generation was constantly assaulted with undeniable facts that the world is actually ending like we are and I honestly couldn’t imagine living like that at this point.

  7. Yes, I'm in my 30s and maybe it's the innocence of youth, but I remember the 90s (and the period of the 00s from Y2K to pre-9/11) to be pretty good.

  8. I can remember a life not surrounded by societal collapse. I was born in 1972 so I got to live 29 years before 9/11 and 48 years before COVID-19 and 2020s fuckness in general.

  9. Also born in 1972. I don’t know, I think we’re already in collapse and I don’t feel old yet. Everyone in my family tends to live into their nineties and I do think collapse will cut my life short. I’m hoping it does, at least.

  10. Took the words right out of my mouth. Very well articulated. I’d like to add that as someone born in the 90s, I feel like we were one of the last generations to grow up being PROMISED that bright future. “Dream big! Shoot for the stars!” I actually remember a time when there WAS that hope. When they said hard work will get you anywhere. But they lied.

  11. I’m also a 90s kid so we are in the exact same boat. I even had some hope for the future until 2015 or so, but the rise of fascism and the Trump Administration killed any hope I had of turning our country/world around. So many are just so ignorant, self-centered, hateful, stupid, and greedy that man-made climate disaster is inevitable. We honestly deserve what’s coming, in some ways.

  12. The period of 1989-2001 was the only period of my life where I strongly believed the world would just keep getting better in all aspects. Before that, the fear was nuclear war, overpopulation, inflation. After that was terrorism, peak oil, climate change, covid, and nuclear war again.

  13. When I finished college and then my training it was 1973 and the oil embargo hit. Inflation and high unemployment wrecked all of us for 10 years. Don’t extrapolate from one song that life was rosier in the past. I was furious for years I would never be able to get ahead or be able to afford a house, as wealthy Europeans were buying up all the beach property in So Cal. Then in 1979 Iran fell and the area was inundated by wealthy Iranians buying up property in west LA and Newport Beach

  14. I understand and agree with you. I was more so speaking in generalities. Regardless of specifics, no previous generation was constantly assaulted with undeniable facts that the world is actually ending like we are and I honestly couldn’t imagine living like that at this point.

  15. Yes, I often day dream about it frequently when I’m at my lowest. But yet, it’s only a daydream cause for it to be true, we would have to change the entire dynamic of the Earth, work, success, and consumerism.

  16. I sometimes try to imagine a counterfactual in which the United States doesn't slump into fascism and civil war. It would require a number of minor miracles - the Fascists would have to lose the next two major elections there, they would have to refrain from funny business or get caught in time, liberals and others would have to get their act together, and so on and so on and so on.

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