Old school home security

  1. Similar story here - I remember the school installing wall deterrents that were plastic, except they were designed to splay out and had a metal spike inside.

  2. I remember a friend in Fazakerley whose Mum got sick of people trying to break into their house, but was told outright by the police that if they put glass on the wall it would be removed (bit more challenging when it's already there, which is why it wasn't removed from elsewhere), so she found a better solution.

  3. My brother lives on the Field Estate in Fazakerley. Just thought I'd mention it and he was in Southport at the time of the alleged incident.

  4. Possibly even less legal if it’s less visible. A burglar, fine, but you get a kid trying to get their ball back and you’re on shaky ground.

  5. I always remember going to cherryfield primary in Kirkby and all the houses that backed on to the playground had broken glass.

  6. Oh man, when I was in my early teens, we'd just moved into a council house in a shit area, the gardens were full of shit, two large mounds of soil and a bunch of discarded rubbish, glass and the like, it was hellish to get it into a nice state but my parents made a really good go of it.

  7. I remember when our house got burgled, the police officer actually advised we put carpet grippers along our fence. This was around 13 years ago.

  8. Fazakerley is a name that sounds made up. Before I searched for it, I tried to guess where in the country it was. I figured it was near Manchester. I'm pretty happy with that level of accuracy, I mean Manchester is pretty close to Liverpool, at least in distance.

  9. I know someone who did this with "pigeon" spikes. They were strips of conical metal spikes that were short but very sharp. They weren't too expensive and easy to screw onto the top of the wall. They even came with a handy warning sign. I don't think they were really designed to keep off birds.

  10. I grew up in Fazakerley an also have a fear of carpet gripper rods, completely unrelated like

  11. I still recall when I first went to visit my wifes home country of South Africa and being blown away by the home security. glass bottles in walls, concertina wire. hell, many houses had not only bars outside and on windows... but they had bars separating the bedrooms from the rest of the house. the logic being.. 'If they break in, they might just be content with stealing'

  12. It's insane right? My uncle had a setup exactly like this, but ironically the indoor bars backfired as the one time they broke in, he forgot the keys and his phone in the kitchen so they locked him in and he could only helplessly watch as his entire house got emptied lol.

  13. During my first year of university I lived with a Nigerian guy who could never adapt to the fact that all of our houses were right next to each other just sitting on the street, and that if you really wanted to you could just look through people's windows.

  14. haha as a Canadian who is in London at the moment (wandsworth) for the first time ever I felt the same way. barbed wire and cctv EVERYWHERE, was a bit shocking honestly. the absolute most I'll see in Canada is a beware of dog sign.

  15. this is an interesting alternative. my mother planted rose bushes outside my sister's window for similar reasons.

  16. I’ve got a few lovely varieties of rambling roses that have some serious thorns (Adelaïde d’Orleans if anyone’s interested) and some firethorn along the fences. And a holly bush.

  17. Barbed wire is flexible and will snag so you’ll be able to move away with superficial injuries. Glass will give you two attempts to jump up the wall. On the first attempt you’ll slide back down so quickly you’ll think the top of the wall is just slippery. On the second try you’ll realise you left your fingers at the top of the wall during the first attempt

  18. I don’t think barbed wire works unless you’re in a rush or fall onto it, or it’s some serious barbed wire, when i was like 12 there was a shortcut that had barbed wire covering the top of the wall we had to hop and all we did is find a foothold in the wall and grip in between the barbs with our fingers to climb up, it was mostly leg strength with the grip just to not fall backwards, probably scratched us up but i never once got cut or ripped clothes

  19. Beyond it looking a bit grim, it shouldn't be any less illegal than anti climbing fences. I think as long as its not hidden from sight its fine.

  20. This is the same comment as the second-top comment reply from a different user. Which of you is lying?

  21. Friend of mine would have put nails on the wall with his dogs excrement so that it would not only cut the person, but give them a serious infection.

  22. I get the reasons, especially if you can't afford anything more high tech, but we have a neighbor that has this and jesus its ugly as fuck.

  23. Sadly the occupiers liability act 1984 dictates occupiers have a duty of care toward trespassers. So this sort of deterrent is not legal these days. I can understand this law to an extent, but I think private property should be sacred and you should be allowed to secure your property, within reason, as you see fit. If some plonker tries to come over your wall and ends up shredded it should be their own fault. In my opinion it's backwards to not encourage accountability in perpetrators of crime.

  24. As I understand it, the issue comes down to "perceptible hazards": that is, a trespasser must be able to see a risk and decide to take that risk, then they only suffer the consequences of their decision. Imperceptible hazards (bear traps, razor blades in the grass or a risk like an electric fence that isn't clearly signposted) are considered to bear consequences for the person laying them, the landowner, as the trespasser was unable to "consent" to the risk (by seeing it and going ahead anyway) and to some extent can be considered a victim of the landlords actions.

  25. Last time I was in Sunderland (2017ish? Idk, when were they relegated?) these glass shards were absolutely everywhere on the walls of terrace gardens. I mean everywhere.

  26. The law goes back further - initially it was designed to stop posh folk putting out man traps to catch poachers, it was felt that killing peasants over a pheasant was a step too far.

  27. I can agree with scumbags getting hurt, but it's a double edged sword, you could hurt, if not kill, a child, or endanger wild life.

  28. Still see this everywhere in parts of Sunderland. Pallion especially. The houses are all also like 5 feet tall.

  29. I understand why people do it but my cat got a super deep cut from one of these walls which almost killed him. In fairness the neighbours were really shocked and a voluntarily removed the glass

  30. I was surprised I didn’t see any comments about cats or birds or any other animals that may be walking across/landing on it, I know break ins are awful but my mind instantly went to the cats possibly being hurt by this :( I’m glad your cat was okay

  31. I'll be honest; I don't understand the UK view towards this kind of thing... any other country that I've lived in (mixture of europe and outside) it's there as a deterrant.

  32. But it’s not just criminals who could try it. Children with lost footballs, cats, birds, paramedics and so on could all cut themselves on it.

  33. There's something so ass backwards about the safety of criminals being a high priority than the safety of their victims. I don't think I'll ever understand how so many people are in favour of that.

  34. Specifically, the issue is that broken glass can very easily be lethal - it can open an artery on someone as they slide over the top. And it is therefore not a proportionate deterrent, unlike say barbed wire which is unlikely to kill or maim while achieving much the same end. Nobody is saying all deterrents are illegal, they just have to be from a limited selection of widely available designs (visible on any industrial estate in the land) - you don't need to resort to medieval shite like this to secure your property.

  35. When I was temporarily living in Birkenhead, I noticed just about every garden wall had this, guess its cheaper than a burglar alarm.

  36. Is it bad this just gives me good memories of walking from Sandhills station to Anfield? Always enjoyed seeing mates reactions if they came up and went to a game with me walking through the back of the houses and seeing all this DIY security.

  37. I still have scars on my fingers from this stuff being on my Uni house back garden wall. I had to hop over one day when I'd left my keys to let myself in through the back door. Most of it had been smashed off over the years so it didn't quite stick out like this

  38. My old boss did this to his wall at work in addition to the barbed wire. I always imagine the pain of putting your hand through a shard of that unexpectedly

  39. If you care about your cat's safety, don't let it run around outside all day. Consider a catio, a harness with leash, etc. Don't complain that the world is unsafe for your cat when you're the one letting it run around unattended.

  40. I love that it's a liability for the owner, put nasty shit on your building and pay the price if anyone injuries themselves on it

  41. I have razor blades imbedded all along our rear wall. Very well hidden and thin so practically not visible, but you put your hands over to climb and you are gonna have a very very bad day.

  42. That looks quite old, surely it falls under the same laws and regs as old buildings/ cars in which they were installed within legal times.

  43. Indeed. An pre-existing nonconformance to Building Regs even if hazardous, albeit structurally sound,if properly managed is perfectly fine. Their called Existing Conditions. Asbestos being another example of and Existing condition that can be left in place.

  44. There is a guy about a 5 minute walk from my house that has done this! He is a local member of the council and says that he was tired of kids climbing on his wall so cemented glass to the top of it!

  45. I put carpet gripper rods and a board with nails covered in dry leaves in my yard after my shed was broken into. I think it worked as we had a tin of paint thrown over the back fences and all over our shed, I'd rather they broke in to be fair.

  46. Down the back alley at my house, near every house on the other side of the street had this, made getting footballs back very interesting!

  47. Had this a few times over the years. I actually caught a bloke and his wife attempting to scale it once. Nobody was harmed but he was kicking off about his wife's trousers.

  48. Theres a house round the corner from me that has a wall with glass like this. I did think it was illegal but seems to be mostly unenforced.

  49. At Uni we would usually leave our back door unlocked out of bad habit. We had a 10 or 12 foot wall keeping it secure and this glass. One night a friend who rarely came up was drunk and forgot his key, he got threw out so came back early without telling us. He was a tight fella, knew the door would be unlocked so jumped the back wall. We came back to him asleep on the sofa with his arm covered in blood and pretty bad cuts. So the wall definitely works unless your drunk

  50. I remember as a kid a the wall by the old brewery ( think the brewery dated back to the mid 1800's) having green and brown broken bottles on top of the wall, if you climbed on the lower wall next to it you could see it better. It had been there so long it wasn't sharp, weathered down I guess. Hope to move back to my old home town in the coming months, will try and remember to see if it's still there.

  51. My wife's grandmother planted cactus as the base of her wall back in the day. The cacti are still there, the pesky teenagers are not.

  52. The sharp edges of the glass go dull surprisingly quickly out in the elements, but when someone climbs on it, its breaks and the fresh edges shred you

  53. In Cuba the Russian embassy building (which includes a couple high rise apartment buildings) is a sheer 12 foot wall of concrete with broken glass bottles on the top.

  54. If you put barbed wire up you’d supposed to put a visible warning . Had a burglary so looked into it. Best I could ascertain there’s a risk that you would get into trouble if a burglar hurt themselves but at the same time the burgled would have to explain why he ignored the warning and his answer would either incriminate him/her self or be an obvious lie.

  55. Great photo. Still an effective security on high walls, it can be seen a lot in italy and other parts of europe. Curious now, what phone did you use to take that?

  56. Can anyone remember the anti vandal paint they had at schools,used to be on the drainpipes and stuff at my school because we used to climb on the roof to get all the balls back,was a sod to get off.

  57. They had to remove these after a dyslexic kid sat on the wall and wondered where the teacher and the rest of the class were

  58. I remember seeing these when I was doing a semester in Cambridge, they were pretty common. I remember wondering how effective these were ... until bonfire night. Saw some guy filled with more beer than sense try to climb one. The skin just sort of flew off his hand, like shucking a cob of corn. I'll never forget it, or the laughter of his friends as they tried to stop him from making another attempt.

  59. If you own a building which becomes listed, and it happens to have such a boundary wall within it’s curtilage… are you obligated to maintain it…?

  60. So I was born in the UK, lived in the US for a bit with the rest of my family moved back to the UK, when I was around 19 I was walking through a park (UK) I noticed some had done this all along there wall to there backyard and I genuinely (with great concern and fear) called the police to ask about it. Is this illegal? It's just I saw this and I think this might not actually be okay? Right? For the woman on the phone to chuckle and tell me this is in fact legal but there are some laws/rules in regards to it like you have to get permission etc, in some cases that is. And I honestly still to this day am baffled. Surely not? Guess the same could be said about gun laws however haha.

  61. This is still everywhere in small albanian towns. Id say this is more menacing than barbed wire or spiky fences/gates. Glass cuts easier and looks scarier. Downside is it looks very ugly

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